## The Stormy Stories interview > What does it take to build a world-class product in one of the most competitive markets imaginable? > In this episode, you'll learn: > > - Why Igor chose to bootstrap Outmap instead of raising capital > - How a single Reddit message led to a co-founder partnership > - The hidden complexity behind building professional-grade mapping technology > - Why understanding your users is a founder's greatest advantage > - How outdoor adventure helps leaders stay clear-headed during difficult seasons > - Why there has never been a better time to start building something new [The Stormy Stories interview](https://www.thestormystoriesshow.com/2602270/episodes/19407615-igor-debatur-ceo-co-founder-outmap) by Angela Robertson and Igor Debatur